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Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson
"Paul was the first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus"
-- Thomas Jefferson
"What have been the fruits of Christianity ? Superstition, bigotry and persecution." — James Madison, 4th president of the U.S.
"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries." - James Madison
"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies." - Thomas Jefferson
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government." - Thomas Jefferson
"In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people." - James Madison
" The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity." - John Adams
"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches." - Benjamin Franklin
"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."
-- Abraham Lincoln
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"In every country and in every age the priest has been hostile to liberty; he is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own." – Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States of America
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government." - Thomas Jefferson
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -- James Madison
'When the government fears the people it is a democracy....when the people fear their government it is tyranny...' --- Thomas Jefferson
Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive.– Thomas Jefferson
The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home. – James Madison
"In no instance have... the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people." - James Madison
Not to mention, The Treaty of Tripoli
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
Jefferson, Madison, Adams, Washington, and Franklin were deists.
Lincoln was an atheist.
Note to The Schwab, you need to educate yourself about deism.
Of course not. They strived to avoid labeling this country officially as Christian. Good Lord, a great many of them weren't even Christian. The people who just have to cling to the notion that the founders were all Christians who intended this country to be run by Christians wielding their Bibles are delusional. They need to take a history class that isn't being taught by a biased Christian teacher or isn't held to limits by a high school history book that delivers deceptions that everyone who never ventures to college then believes for the rest of their lives.
Studying the founders in college actually led to me becoming a Deist. Something most Christians know little about and if they do know about it, have some pretty weird misconceptions about. I admire your efforts here, but as far as the sort of people who have to cling to their misconceptions, you might as well be talking to a brick wall. To them, in depth education about their country's real roots is just an evil thing.
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No. But Republicans are hell bent upon turning us in to one.
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We were founded as a Christian nation — with a fiercely secular government.
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There is no mention of Christ in the Constitution, and the only mention of God in the Constitution is to prohibit a national church. It’s safe to say America was founded as a secular government.
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In God We Trust.
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No.
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"We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal, and are endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable rights". Sound familiar?
"And by virtue of the power, and for the purpose aforesaid, I do order and declare that all persons held as slaves within said designated States, and parts of States, are, and henceforward shall be free; and that the Executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of said persons. And I hereby enjoin upon the people so declared to be free to abstain from all violence, unless in necessary self-defence; and I recommend to them that, in all cases when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages. And I further declare and make known, that such persons of suitable condition, will be received into the armed service of the United States to garrison forts, positions, stations, and other places, and to man vessels of all sorts in said service. And upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution, upon military necessity, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind, and the gracious favor of Almighty God. "-Abe Lincoln
"We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of Heaven"-Abe Lincoln
"I am a patient man — always willing to forgive on the Christian terms of repentance; and also to give ample time for repentance. Still I must save this government if possible. "-Abe Lincoln
"The belief in a God All Powerful wise and good, is so essential to the moral order of the world and to the happiness of man"-James Madison
"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time."-Thomas Jefferson
"I am a Christian, in the only sense he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence; & believing he never claimed any other."-Thomas Jefferson
"The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the courage and conduct of this army."-George Washington
Nice try, though. These men may have been unhappy with the church, but from what I can tell they believed in a christian god. However I can not say that for sure because I did not live at that time. You can also not say for sure that they were atheists.
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This is a rant, not a question.
Please ask a question.
Did these 5 guys on their own "launch America"…..????????
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You are right.
More important is how hot the wife of the future president will be.
Republican politics –> Hot wives
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Some horny bikers
Most definitely YES!
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Yes, a christian nation!
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It absolutely was!!! Unfortunately our history has been twisted over the years to try and wipe out what our founding fathers actually meant when writing and signing those documents.
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We like a mussulman as president who will help us with our legal system by adopting Sharia law, decapitation of all infidels and stoning of all women who are not wearing burkas. It will be paradise on earth for all believers.
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Well you pretty much answered your own question here. But I should add that the Federalist papers, which describe exactly what the reasoning was behind why the Constitution was setup the way it was, don’t mention God at all.
As for the argument about the Declaration of Independence mentioning God, it also mentions Native Americans as savages, does that make us a racist nation? Obviously, they were using poetic license to justify why we should be free of England.
It is actually quite clear what the sources of inspiration are for our government, from English common law, to Greek history, even to the Iroquois nation. None of those sources involve Christianity in the least though.
And ‘In God we Trust’ was put on our money in the 50’s to make ourselves stand out against the ‘athiest’ Communism at the height of the communist scare, same thing with the pledge of allegiance.
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No, it wasn’t founded on Christianity. I suppose it’s easy to think so since Christianity became the predominant organized religion in the early years of America.
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Add: In God We Trust was added in the 1950’s to the pledge and on the money.
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http://www.nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm
The U.S.A. was absolutely founded as a Christian nation with Christian principles.
The "separation of church and state" is a myth. It is a phrase lifted from one of Jefferson’s letters and promulgated by liberals of that century as ‘gospel’.
BTW, that aforementioned letter was in support of a church.
The first amendment prohibits the Congress from establishing a national (official) religion and it also prohibits the free exercise of religion.
That amendment is reproduced here for your convenience:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am1
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No, I think it was founded more on the ideas of John Locke and other political philosophers during the Enlightenment era. I think that Religious tolerance was a major part of the original colonies, since many of the colonies were founded so that religious groups could avoid persecution.
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the first amendment states Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
therefore, no our nation was not founded as a christian, or any type of religious nation. congress can make no law regarding the establishment or free exercise of religion. the fact that the people who wrote the constitution or helped found this nation were or were not christians has no bearing on the issue.
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Anyone capable of reading a history book or the Federalist Papers would know that it was. But as pointed out in another question our schools are dumbing down American so there are probably less people able to read and comprehend as there were during the founding.
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No, a Pagan one. You’re mixing political science with religion that most people won’t comprehend in this section on Yahoo.
The U.S. Constitution is a secular document. It begins, "We the people," and contains no mention of "God" or "Christianity." Its only references to religion are exclusionary.
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http://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/ourdocs/articles.html
YES,
The opinions of the few do not reflect the goals, nor the way of life of the many.
The founding fathers were Human like all humans they were not GODs. All of there writings, and speeches should not be take out of context to support your atheistic view.
I seems the point was only to remove the church from the direct rule of the country, including the priest that preach. I believe the intention was to encourage everyone to educate themselves, and participate in government. Today we have regressed – it is not the church that manipulates policy, but the TV.
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No, the entire basis of the 1st amendment to the constitution was to prevent the same religious tyranny that had been suffered by those leaving Europe and had followed them to the colony’s in the form of Puritan rule.
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No if you study our founding fathers most of them were men of the enlightenment age. They were what were called Deityists(people who believed in G-D but not any particular religion).
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Of course not. They strived to avoid labeling this country officially as Christian. Good Lord, a great many of them weren’t even Christian. The people who just have to cling to the notion that the founders were all Christians who intended this country to be run by Christians wielding their Bibles are delusional. They need to take a history class that isn’t being taught by a biased Christian teacher or isn’t held to limits by a high school history book that delivers deceptions that everyone who never ventures to college then believes for the rest of their lives.
Studying the founders in college actually led to me becoming a Deist. Something most Christians know little about and if they do know about it, have some pretty weird misconceptions about. I admire your efforts here, but as far as the sort of people who have to cling to their misconceptions, you might as well be talking to a brick wall. To them, in depth education about their country’s real roots is just an evil thing.
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I don’t understand this argument. Whether it was or wasn’t is irrelevant.
America is a nation of religious freedom, and that’s what matters. The religious orientations of its founders are completely and totally meaningless.
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Yes it was. Meaning that is the history, the basic values of Christ are ingrained in the constitution.
I do not dispute your quotes.
That is why "the separation of church and state" Religions can have more power than governments and they can be even more corrupt than governments.
Consider that the Islamic religion is a also a religion of government. the religious police in Islamic countries can arrest any citizen, (even a non Muslim) for breaching religious laws. For example they can arrest and whip a women who shows her hair. It is perfectly legal.
Consider the Catholic Church who have had immense power throughout history.
At least a basic Christian will have more of the ideals of what America stands for than a person who is sympathetic with Islam.
But don’t knock religion too hard. It helps the majority of the worlds population explain their existence and comforts them.
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No. Most of the Founding Fathers were Deists, not Christians. Deists believe that a higher power created the universe, then stepped away. In other words, there are no rules handed out by the supreme being, and there is no Bible. Deism is a far cry from Christianity. The New World was all about religious freedom, which means there is NO official religion. PERIOD.
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America was born out of a need to not to act in the European mode anymore. Religious freedom, no monarchy and no government by only the rich people was a new change.
Kind of like Senator Obama governing in a new way that does not require partisanship, bickering and backbiting people.
America is slow to change sometimes but it is faster than most or our European counterparts.
I am a Christian. American patriots were majority Christian but that did not govern their policy in setting up a nation. However, we are known as the most Christian nation in the world.
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From the Above Statements, No.
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Yes it was!!! Because the preacher man on the TV told me it was, right before he told me that God wants me to send all my money to the preacher man! So I sent him my money and went back to cleaning my gun! Ain’t no socialist going to take away my gun or my Bible! Yee-haw!
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Thank you for setting the record straight. Although you are talking to the wall.
The Declaration of Independence specifically states that men are endowed by THEIR Creator, not OUR Creator or THE Creator with Clearly this opens the door to an open belief in any kind of creator or none at all.
The Constitution does has nothing in the Oath of Office or its qualifications that require any religious view at all.
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The Constitution it didn’t stop the draft. The so-called freedoms declared in it are highly conditional, and malleable according to the whims of those who rule.
Freedom or Freemasonry?
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Very impressive research! People who say the US was founded as a Christian nation have no knowledge of American history and are playing on the ignorance of the masses.
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No. The USA never was, and is not, a Christian nation. References to God were just thrown in to make people feel good, but those references have no legal force of any kind.
The whole point was to have a nation where there was no official religion.
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Do Christians believe in equal rights for women?
No, they believe women should not be allowed to control their own bodies.
Do Christians believe in freedom of religion?
No, they only want their bible taught in school.
Do Christians believe in democracy?
No, they believe in Lords and Kingdoms.
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